Well you know man first of all what we do is Black Metal and we've been doing it for over 22 years and the reason we do it is mostly for ourselves. When we started out we were quite young, 15 or 16 years old. There weren't that many bands..When we started out the 2^nd wave was coming at the same time. A few other bands a little bit before us. We were quite a few people involved in the scene. We knew each other, met at shows. But we wanted to do something else. Different than the Heavy Metal and Hard Rock that started at that time. So we started playing for ourselves and for friends.

We're still fans of this music. I find it very hard to look at someone other than myself as better.. Or.. This just isn't what we do. We really try to do something that'll make us proud. It's not for fame, in that way. And it never was. We have truly experienced success when we were a touring band. And for a couple of years we lived off music. And after having a long break when we started decided to come back.. This was never the agenda. We wanted to create the best music possible with the means that we had.

Yeah, of course. We're not a band to release an album every two year and constantly touring. This is what we do. And the songs are something that.. We don't put out  a new product if we're not completely satisfied with it. It has to be ready and everybody in the band needs to feel it and it takes time. We need to do other things in the meanwhile, doing this helps us, motivates us. We take it very seriously.

Usually it's quite a long process. And we always do pre-recording on our albums, sometimes twice, so we can get a feeling of what's really coming out, how's it going to be and how we can perfect it each time. I think we could go back to older albums saying maybe I could have done this or that. But I'm can always rest assured we did the best we could with the means we had.

We've been in contact with Raven Music for the past ten years trying to come here.

We want to see who we're working with, making sure it's not just a cash grab. I think of it as it a form of rip-off and these guys (the production) really try to deliver. That fucking counts for me. That's really important. They bring bands they like.

For me personally I wanted to come to Israel for all my life. My father was born in Jerusalem. Then he and most my family moved to the US, not before he got hitched with my mother whose Swedish. It was a different time, for me personally I never had a good relationship with my father but I do with his family's side, so for me being reluctant coming In the past.. I never even knew why would I do it but things change. And people change. So I wanted to come for a few years now. I met many Israelis at festivals, traveling, in Thailand, Turkey.. So Israel interests me.

I know there are always two sides to every story and when it comes to politics it's mostly politicians making decisions. People are just people. We're not a political band in that way. I know people who refused to come due to everything but I have a feeling it's not really like that. Even if there are a hundred people here who are interested in Naglfar I'm willing to come and play for them.

We have other things going on in our lives. Families.. But there are certain places we haven't been to before and we want to see them.

Of course I've been thinking about it but I think at the same time people just want to live their lives and just be normal. I'm not sure our music is what you would consider normal. The kind of music we do.. Maybe it's not normal. But if there are people interested in the music then we'll come.

Tomorrow Jerusalem. And there's already too much to see. The place carries a lot of history.

I hope in the coming years the climate will open more and people will come. Stuff we see through the media.. You know, people are people everywhere. Just want to go on living their lives. I have no saying when it comes to politics. It's not for me to say. But it's always like this. People are right and wrong on both sides. It's like that everywhere.

No, because in a way I think we represent something that stands on the side. We're guys that chose a different path in life. It goes a long way. It's also the way we look. The way we scarred ourselves and marked ourselves as being against society in general.

Very complicated question. I have a feeling there's something else inside me that drives me to do this otherwise I'd quit years ago. It gives me self-satisfaction and to be able to be a vessel and a messenger of something else. A little more dark. A little bit more not-being-your-average-kind-of-dude.

I think it's hard to describe in a way because it has to do with emotions. The emotions we get when we do shows.

Slayer, Bathory. I basically listen to the same kind of music I listened to growing up. And in a year ill be turning 40.

Yeah, Swedish folk has always been with us.

It just came out. We were only 17 years old starting. We tried our best to do something else, that would please ourselves,. We never thought anybody would listen to us. And it wasn't common for bands to succeed and get a contract. We were hoping for a demo and playing shows and it just took off.

People were talking about the 2^nd wave of Black-Metal in Norway and we knew some of those guys also. But everybody were kids, you know. Some stuff happened in Norway, stuff happened in Sweden, most guys were only trying to focus on their music, on the ideas that they had, and they really tried to refine and perfect it.

Not only. We wanted to create something real. Like Israel and Sweden as well are quite religious countries. These days everything is secularized.

Yeah I read quite a lot. I've been reading a book, quite a few actually, by Egyptian writer Robert Buvall. And also a few books by Gray Hanckock. They've been writing about the origins of civilizations and religious practices.

I'm very interested in these topics. When we took a break with the band a couple of years ago, I've been studying theology for over 4 years. I'm really into that and why the human being is so religious. Many say they're not at all, but everyone's almost religious to something... Modern religions, computers, the internet etc.

Yeah. I'm a Satanist.

I think it empowers me, otherwise it'd be stupid to follow these ways. But it's also a very personal form of belief. In a way, as many belief systems. And everybody has to postulate and formulate their own ways of coping with the short time that we have. Because yeah, life is short. Loves is cheap.

But it's true, for me it's true. It has nothing to do with putting yourself above anyone else, trampling on other people. It has to do with respecting yourself. Because everyone has a self. Something inner, something that drives them. People have different kind of mindsets. I would say that I used to be a little more melancholic person but I don't feel that way anymore. It also has to do with going on, with trying to cope with each day.

My family. My daughter (who's 3). Friends. Having the possibility to still get along with my childhood friends, because we have this thing we do together. We're close friends and feel very privileged to do this. Life changes for everyone but we always have a reason to meet.